There is always a Beginning to Grasp the Whole! P 10

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Dream Stimuli and Dream Sources (Traumreize und Traumquellen)

Hello, dear friends. I’m sharing another section of Freud’s book with my translation. I hope you find it interesting and insightful. This part discusses forgetting dreamsβ€”I usually forget mine, though the ones that endure seem to stay forever. I believe we forget dreams after waking because we don’t want to remember them right away, so we push them into the unknown for later.

Anyway, Dr Freud explains why we forget our dreams, and I think his research is worth exploring, especially since Dr Carl Jung admired Freud’s work. Here are some quotes from Carl Jung’s Depth Psychology, by my good friend Lewis Lafontaine. πŸ™

It is Freud’s great achievement to have put dream-interpretation on the right track. ~Carl Jung, CW 8, Para 539

“Freud was kind to people and gave them his interest; that was what cured, and that is what always cures – the human contact.”
~Carl Jung, Meetings with Jung, Page 48

Let’s proceed with Freud’s arguments. The previous chapter is available here!

Why do we forget the dream after waking up? (Warum man den Traum nach dem Erwachen vergisst?)

It is proverbial that a dream “dissolves” in the morning. Yet it is certainly capable of being remembered. After all, we know the dream only through memory after waking; yet we very often believe that we recall it only incompletely, whereas more of it was present during the night; we can observe how a dream memoryβ€”vivid in the morningβ€”fades over the course of the day until only small fragments remain; we often know that we have dreamt, but not what we dreamt; and we are so accustomed to the experience of dreams being subject to oblivion that we do not dismiss as absurd the possibility that a person who, in the morning, knows nothing of the content or even the fact of having dreamt, might nevertheless have dreamt during the night. On the other hand, it happens that dreams display extraordinary persistence in memory. I have analysed dreams of my patients that occurred twenty-five or more years ago, and I can recall a dream of my own separated from the present by at least thirty-seven years, yet it has lost nothing of its freshness in memory. All this is very strange and, at first glance, incomprehensible.

StrΓΌmpell discusses the forgetting of dreams at greatest length. This forgetting is evidently a complex phenomenon, for StrΓΌmpell attributes it not to a single cause but to a whole series of reasons.

To begin with, the same factors that cause forgetting in waking life are at work in the forgetting of dreams. When awake, we tend to quickly forget a vast number of sensations and perceptions because they were too weakβ€”because the mental excitation associated with them was insufficiently intense. The same applies to many dream images: they are forgotten because they were too weak, whereas stronger images that occur alongside them are remembered. However, intensity alone is not the decisive factor in retaining dream images; StrΓΌmpell, like other authors (such as Calkins), acknowledges that we often quickly forget dream images known to have been very vivid, while many of the images retained in memory are shadowy and faint. Furthermore, in the waking state, we tend to forget events that occurred only once, while remembering better those we perceived repeatedly. However, most dream images are unique experiences (though recurring dreams have been noted; cf. Chabaneix’s collection); this characteristic inevitably contributes to the forgetting of all dreams. A third reason for forgetting is far more significant. For sensations, mental images, thoughts, and the like to attain a certain degree of memorability, they must not remain isolated but rather enter into appropriate connections and associations. If one breaks a short verse down into its constituent words and jumbles them, it becomes very difficult to commit it to memory. “When well-ordered and arranged in a logical sequence, one word supports another, and the whole remains firmly, easily, and enduringly in the memory. We generally find it just as difficultβ€”and rareβ€”to retain nonsensical material as we do material that is confused and disordered.”
Yet, in most cases, dreams lack coherence and order. Dream compositions inherently lack the basis for their own retention and are forgotten because they usually disintegrate almost immediately. – Admittedly, this view does not quite align with Radestock’s observation (p. 168) that it is precisely the strangest dreams we remember best.

StrΓΌmpell considers other factors, derived from the relationship between the dream and waking life, to be even more significant in causing dreams to be forgotten. The fact that dreams are forgotten by waking consciousness is evidently merely the counterpart to the previously mentioned fact that the dream (almost) never incorporates organised memories from waking life, but rather only isolated details torn from the familiar mental associations in which they are recalled during the waking state. Dream imagery thus finds no place within the array of mental sequences that fill the mind; it lacks all mnemonic aids. “In this way, the dream formation detaches itself, as it were, from the soil of our mental life and floats in the psychic realm like a cloud in the sky, quickly dispersed by a fresh breath of air” (p. 87). Working in the same direction is the fact that, upon waking, the encroaching sensory world immediately lays claim to one’s attention, so that very few dream images can withstand this force. They give way to the impressions of the new day just as the radiance of the stars fades before the light of the sun.

Sigmund Freud’s Letter to Carl Jung, September 19, 1907

Finally, a factor conducive to the forgetting of dreams is that most people show little interest in them to begin with. For instance, anyone whoβ€”perhaps as a researcherβ€”takes an interest in dreams for a time will also dream more than usual during that period; this presumably means they recall their dreams more easily and more frequently.
Two other reasons for the forgetting of dreamsβ€”added by Bonatelli (cited in Benini) to those proposed by StrΓΌmpellβ€”are arguably already implicit in the latter: namely, 1) that the shift in general bodily sensation between sleep and wakefulness is unfavourable to reciprocal recall, and 2) that the different arrangement of mental imagery in dreams renders them, so to speak, untranslatable for waking consciousness.

Given all these reasons for forgetting, it becomesβ€”as StrΓΌmpell himself emphasisesβ€”all the more remarkable that so much of our dreams is nevertheless retained in memory. The persistent efforts of authors to formulate rules for recalling dreams amount to an admission that, here too, something remains enigmatic and unresolved. Certain peculiarities in the recollection of dreams have rightly attracted special attention of lateβ€”for instance, the fact that a dream one believes to have forgotten in the morning may be recalled later in the day, triggered by a perception that happens to touch upon the dream’sβ€”supposedly forgottenβ€”content (Radestock, TissiΓ©). However, the entire phenomenon of dream recall is subject to an objection that could well lead a critical observer to devalue it significantly. One might question whether our memoryβ€”which omits so much of the dreamβ€”also distorts the fragments it has preserved.

StrΓΌmpell also voices doubts about the accuracy of dream reproduction: “It easily happens, then, that waking consciousness involuntarily inserts various elements into the memory of the dream: one imagines having dreamt all sorts of things that the actual dream did not contain.” Jessen expresses himself particularly emphatically on this point (p. 547):
“Moreover, when examining and interpreting coherent and logical dreams, one must give serious consideration to a circumstance thatβ€”it seemsβ€”has hitherto received little attention: namely, that the truth is almost always compromised in the process, because, when we recall a dream we have had, weβ€”without noticing or intending toβ€”fill in and supplement the gaps in the dream imagery. Rarely, and perhaps never, was a coherent dream actually as coherent as it appears to us in memory.
Even for the most truthful person, it is scarcely possible to recount a remarkable dream one has experienced without any additions or embellishments; the human mind’s drive to perceive everything as a coherent whole is so strong that, when recalling a somewhat disjointed dream, it involuntarily supplies the missing links in the narrative.”

V. Egger’s remarks, which were certainly conceived independently, sound almost like a translation of Jessen’s words: Β»… l’observation des rΓͺves a ses difficultΓ©s spΓ©ciales et le seul moyen d’éviter toute erreur en pareille matiΓ¨re est de confier au papier sans le moindre retard ce que l’on vient d’éprouver et de remarquer; sinon, l’oubli vient vite ou total ou partiel; l’oubli total est sans gravitΓ©; mais l’oubli partiel est perfide; car si l’on se met ensuite Γ  raconter ce que l’on n’a pas oubliΓ©, on est Γ©xposΓ© Γ  complΓ©ter par imagination les fragments incohΓ©rents et disjoints fourni par la mΓ©moire …; on devient artiste Γ  son insu, et le rΓ©cit periodiquement rΓ©pΓ©tΓ© s’impose Γ  la crΓ©ance de son auteur, qui, de bonne foi, le prΓ©sente comme un fait authentique, dΓ»ment Γ©tabli selon les bonnes mΓ©thodes …« {Observing dreams poses particular difficulties, and the only way to avoid error in such matters is to commit to paper, without the slightest delay, what one has just experienced and noted; otherwise, forgettingβ€”whether total or partialβ€”quickly sets in. Total forgetting is of no consequence, but partial forgetting is treacherous; for if one subsequently sets out to recount what has not been forgotten, one risks filling in the gapsβ€”using one’s imaginationβ€”within the incoherent, disjointed fragments supplied by memory… One becomes an artist unwittingly, and the story, through repeated telling, comes to be believed by its own author, who thenβ€”in good faithβ€”presents it as an authentic fact, duly established according to sound methods…}

Spitta (p. 338) holds a very similar view; he seems to assume that it is only when we attempt to reproduce the dream that we introduce order into the loosely associated dream elementsβ€””transforming the side-by-side arrangement into a sequence or a separation, thereby adding the process of logical connection that is absent in the dream.”
Now, since we possess no means of verifying the accuracy of our memory other than objective confirmationβ€”which is impossible in the case of a dream, an experience of our own for which memory is the sole sourceβ€”what value can we still attach to our memory of the dream?

_____________Stay tuned! More coming soon!_________________

Thank you all so much, dear friends. As for my condition, I was constantly bouncing around and acting without paying attention to my age. But after the recent surgery, I realise, and must admit, with my tired bones, that I am an old man now! This is the reality of life on this earth, and I accept it.
I may write an extra post about that.

Take care, everyone.πŸ™πŸ€—

23 thoughts on “There is always a Beginning to Grasp the Whole! P 10”

  1. I concur with StrΓΌmpell that we have more dreams, or at least remember more of them, when we anticipate them. At least, that is one of the many factors presented here… We can also pause to observe the curious fact that analysis only ever happens after waking. Only after waking up can I say, for example, ‘Ahh yes I was dreaming of being lost a sea in a dangerous odyssey because of of my apprehension about my upcoming travel.’.

    Relating to the first point, my favorite Stephen King quote: “You will not see what you do not look for.” -The Gunslinger. In the preface to that book and the larger Dark Towers series, King writes about agingβ€”Β how he misses the days of smoking packs of cigarettes, firing away at his typewriter… Calls Time a “Mean Traffic Cop.” (Who) gets the best of us all…. I took psychedelic mushrooms last weekend as therapy for depression, and felt your pain, dear friend. Not only your pain but others as well. But I did think of you. I was grateful for this. Grateful for our friendship hereπŸ§žπŸ“•πŸ©΅πŸ––

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  2. Thank you, Aladin.

    This is all most interesting.

    The first dream I remember was from 4 years old. It was before kindergarten. My parents woke me up from crying, and I told them the dream immediately. I still remember it. Have I embellished it? I don’t know, but it is the same as it was all those years ago.

    It began as a repeat dream, where I dreamed I would sneak out of the window, onto my white horse. When I was on the horse, I was dressed like a cowgirl. I would ride around with other cowboys and girls. We had a secret cave.

    That was the dream…the same every night, until the last time I had it and it turned into a nightmare.

    When I rode home, the apartment block was surrounded by tanks and soldiers shooting at out apartment.

    I found my way in, and everyone was dead. The place was destroyed. The kitchen floor was black and white tiles. The air was filled with the chanting of ALLELUJAH and the b&w tiles turned into nuns. The nuns rose up, extending their arms to the heavens, and the singing got louder.

    Then they melted back into tiles and the singing got softer. This rising and falling and singing of hallelujah by the nuns terrified me more than the war.

    My parents woke me up.

    You be well too, Aladin!

    ༻❦ πŸ’™ κ§β˜…κ§‚ πŸ’™ ❦༺

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    • Wow, that’s another fascinating dream! Of course, it raises some questionsβ€”for example, whether your parents are or were religious, and whether there were any wars going on at the time. However, it seems the dream ended once it turned into a nightmare.

      I really don’t know why some dreams linger forever, but yours certainly had a good reason to stay with you.

      Thank you, Resa, as always, for your lovely thoughts.

      πŸ’–πŸŒΉπŸ™πŸ’ž

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  3. The art to start the post, the interpretation, the musings… Really makes me think about the times I have woken up to a dream that seems so real like reality. I rarely remember them but when I do it’s so clear… As for your words at the end about aging, do take care of yourself! Slow down and pause to, well, dream πŸ™‚

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    • That has been exactly my experience with my own dreams; it is really true! Thank you so much, my dear Christy, for stopping by, and heartfelt thanks for the good wishes. Sending my best wishes back. πŸ€—πŸ™πŸ’–

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