SOCRATES ‘Talk about’ Andriania ‘

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By SearchingTheMeaningOfLife

I love his way of discussion! I was a naive boy as my wise brother pushed four thick valiums set of books of Plato towards me and said: read! of course, I followed; they were the collection of Plato’s notes from the Socrates discussions complete. I can only remember when I began with reading them, once I was wandering on the Tehran’s street and just taking rest on a park bench, a girl came to me and asked: are you OK? I’d confusingly answered; of course, what’s the matter? you’re just looking so depressed I thought she said. I was so, not depressed but under a lot of heavy thought! 

here is a part of his wonderful way of teaching us; at first think twice then say something! With a great thank to; https://searchingthemeaningoflife.wordpress.com/

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And what would you say about the prowess shown in the sea, sickness, poverty or political life? In addition, some people are brave when faced with pain and weak when taken by pleasure. That’s why I ask you again: what would we call the generosity of Lash?


Two Athenian generals Lachis and Niki discuss with Socrates the prowess that the combatants should demonstrate in the battlefield. Both generals lost their lives to Lachis in the Battle of Mantineia in 418 BC and Nicky in 412 in the Sicilian campaign. Socrates brings the conversation to a higher level than bravery and asks the General who are experts to express their opinion. Following is the dialogue: Lahis    – A soldier recently showed us something new: He was one of my men and devised a spear-shaped spear. He was very proud of the potential of this weapon during the battle.               In order to make no mistake, in a naval battle, his spear was caught in the rigging of another ship as we passed by beside him. The soldier pulled it, but the spear was not recited, so he was forced to run along the deck, vice versa, holding the grip firmly to keep him out of his hands. Eventually, he had to leave the spear and leave running while the crews of both ships laughed until tears. We could not keep it, you had to see how the spear was hanging from the rigging! 

 Nikia – I    agree. I believe that this equipment seems remarkable.

Lahis – What is your view, Socrates? So far we are a pro, one against. The decisive vote falls on you!Socrates      – Lahis, instead of voting, I would say we should focus our attention on a more substantive issue that you have just rightly put before. Do not you think that for an issue as important as the practice of the arms of your friends’ sons, should we look for a specialist 
and follow his advice?  

Lahis – Of course, Socrates. This is right.

 Socrates        – What, then, should our expert be expert?Nikias     – Now we were not talking about arms training? Whether our young people should be practised or not? 

 Socrates       – Yes, Nikia. But should not we first answer this basic question? For example, when a person asks what medicine he has to put in his eyes, what does he really care about his medicine or eyes?

 Nikis        – Of course his eyes!

 Socrates          – And when he thinks of putting a bridle on a horse, the horse cares about it and not the bridle, is it?

 Nice     – Right. Socrates  – Do not you see, then, Nikia, how to practice the weapons is like drugs and skirts – just a means of achieving a goal? What we really think about when it comes to different kinds of education is young people. It is the self, the soul of these young people undergoing education.

  The doctor knows if it’s good for the eyes. Hippodomus what is good for horses. But who knows what’s good for the soul, that’s the basic question! Nikias          – (laughing): I had to wait for it, Socrates, we have done similar discussions, and it is a painful process. However, in the end, I always leave with clearer ideas than at first. Are you ready to face him, Lah? I warn you of the experience this man has for us! 

Lahis     – Generally, I am not in favour of the discussions, unless I’m sure my interlocutor is a man of both acts and words. I was together with Socrates in the retreat after our defeat in the Battle of Delhi, if all were recognized as Socrates, we would have won. I would accept the questions of such a man at any time.

Socrates          – Thank you, Lahis. Allow me to submit to you the part of this more general question that concerns you most because of your profession of driving soldiers into battle. What is Larus?

 Lahis         – This is easy, Socrates. It is a man who does not abandon his position and does not put his feet in danger. Socrates             – Good definition of bravery, in terms of a pedestrian. Does it apply, however, to the cavalry that is constantly on the move? If I’m not mistaken, a favourite manoeuvre of the Scythians is to escape by galloping, turning both the trunk on the horse and hitting the enemy as they retreat.  

 Lahis        – Correct observation Socrates. These horsemen are among the most prolific soldiers.

 Socrates      – And what would you say about the prowess shown in the sea, sickness, poverty or political life? In addition, some people are brave when faced with pain and weak when taken by pleasure. That’s why I ask you again: what would we call the generosity of Lash?

Lahis – You put me in Socrates thoughts. Now that I think about it better, I would say that bravery is a kind of soul’s heartbeat.

Socrates     – My dear! Now you have given us a comprehensive definition, but perhaps too comprehensive, because if the real bravery is always a virtue, then the simple absurd misery can also be described as a virtue?

Lahis – I should have been wise. Socrates     – Yes, but what does it mean wise? What is your view of the man who is able to fight and is willing to fight bravely because he has reasonably calculated that he will have the support of others, that he is fighting against the fewer and weaker than those who fight at his side? Would you say that this man who performs such a wit in such wisdom is a manly man? 
More prolific and by the one who has the will to stay and fight on the weak side?Lahis – I have no doubt that the man who is not sitting to figure out the risk is brighter than the other. Socrates     – So, the man who dives in a well without knowing how to dive is brighter, even more, foolish than the trained diver? Lahis – I have to be consistent with what I said before Socrates, but there is obviously a gap in our reasoning.
Source: 
Nasos Argiropoulos writes at : http: //nasosargiropoulos.blogspot.gr(We read it in Ronald Gross’s bookThe Socrates Method)

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